Public Program, Geneva 1985

Public Program. Geneva (Switzerland), 11 June 1985.

I bow to all the seekers of truth. But the truth has two sides: the illusion that we see can look like truth, and the essence of the illusion also may appear to be truth. But the other side is absolute and has to be felt, has to be experienced on your central nervous system. It’s not a mental projection that we can think of, nor emotional imagination, but truth is what it is, it cannot be changed. It cannot compromise.

We have to humble down ourselves to know the truth. Now we have discovered so many things in the science, by humility that we have not known so far. But whatever is known outside, like the tree, must have roots, and these roots are not known if you are just looking at the tree.

And when somebody talks about the roots, we get shaken up because we have had no knowledge of it before. Thus we are conditioned to only see the tree, and we cannot make our mind understand that there must be some roots to it.

So we can say that people have advanced in science quite a lot, and have progressed and have become developed countries. But they do not know, if they do not seek their roots they will be completely destroyed. Now when I’m before you, one should not in any way feel that I’m here to offend you, but I’ve come here to tell you about the roots, the great properties you have within yourself.

We know about so many energies around us like electricity, gravity, in the scientific field of knowledge. But there are subtler energies within us which we should try to understand with the same humility of a scientist, and the open-mindedness.

Now what problems are facing us here in the West, we should try to understand. As somebody in America asked Me, “What’s wrong with the West?”

We have to see what has happened to us in our evolution. When we evolved through the industrial development, we developed certain temperaments and certain value system. Industrialization was a good idea, but there is no discretion where to stop it.

And that’s how when we go to very industrialized countries we think we are just eating chemicals and not food. Now the balance has to be maintained, but how? By knowing about the roots.

Now the first problem I feel about the Western mind is that it is a mental being; it has developed this mental capacity beyond balance.

Like in the industries we have to have new things made all the time; every time we have to sell some goods we must have new fashions, otherwise the machines will be starving.

In the same way our brain starts producing new things, that’s how these things are man-made.

With mental projection we start thinking of all the time new things and we appreciate whatever comes new to us.

We have to take to new things, but not to something that is absolutely devoid of any traditional value. Like the other day I said that “What’s so special about Freud, why did you accept him and why not Jung?”

The reason was given that he gave us very new ideas. Anything new is not always good; for example plastic was new once upon a time, you know what are the results of plastic development. If that is true about matter, what about the spirit?

So when we seek also the truth, we try to get to a new method all the time. And I think the evil that came in forms of wrong type of gurus are the product of this kind of demand.

Only seventy to hundred years back, I should say, in India, suddenly a new wave of some new ideas about the knowledge of the roots started. Some things that they talk of are not written in the Vedas nor in the Puranas, nor in any books of oriental knowledge; nor in any books that are written after Christ like the Bible, or Koran after Mohammed Sahib, and also the writings of Zoroaster. It has no relationship whatsoever to the ancient findings about the roots. So we had a problem about the religion in the same manner.

For example, let us take Christianity: Christ came on this Earth, as you will know later on, to create a special awareness within us of the spirit. He resides inside within us in a special center, what we call the Agnya Chakra, and described in the Indian scriptures as Mahavishnu. And in the purest form He exists as the Omkara, as the Logos. So much is described about Him in the West, in the Western knowledge in the mental way, but actually it is very much discovered in the Indian philosophy. You cannot understand Christ by mental projection, because He is beyond mind. He has Himself said, “You are to be born again.”

When Nicodemus said, “What do you mean ‘to be born again’? Am I to enter into the womb of my mother?”

“No,” He said, “whatever is born of flesh is flesh, and you are to be born of the Holy Ghost.”

And what is the Holy Ghost? The bishop of Canterbury was asked this question, I saw it on the television, and he says, “I am agnostic.” So the interviewer asked him, “What are you doing here, then?” He said, “I am doing my job.” So the interviewer said, “All right, I am also doing my job” – mutual understanding between two mental projections.

The Holy Ghost is the reflection within you, is this Kundalini. (To translator: No, the kundalini you just show them. The lower – no, no, Kundalini you show, in the sacrum, there)

Now this Kundalini has been described very clearly in so many scriptures in India. It is said in the Bible that “I will appear before you like the tongues of flames.” These are the centers, and this is the Tree of Life which is described. Now in the Koran it is described as Assas. Nowhere in any one of these ancient scriptures, or up to the time of Kabira which was hardly four, five hundred years back, nobody said that this kundalini gives you any trouble.

But I have seen many people writing books about Kundalini later on, and there is a very thick book like that, I was amazed to see the description they have given by a German writer about the Kundalini, that it can give you heat, it can give you diseases, it can make you dance, it can make you jump.

So this is how they have tried to condition you against your evolutionary process. And the religions which came after the great incarnations also tried the same trick. Paul is the person who started this kind of conditioning in the Bible. Actually Paul had nothing to do with Christ. How is he in the Bible, I could not understand from My very childhood.

And then he was born as Augustine who again made the religion, organized it, and conditioned it. And today, surprisingly, people are challenging Christ’s birth, His divine powers of creating miracles.

Now with their mental projection they are trying to prove that He was just like us. And also dirty filthy things are said about Him and His Mother. This is hell that we have created with our mental projections.

How dare we say these things about such a great personality like Christ! It is our ego which has made us so bold and so arrogant, that we are preparing our own destruction by challenging such personalities, which can really protect us and guide us to our ascent.

This is again the result of this newness, because the mind wants to find something new all the time, develops this ego. Like in America if you go, you better ask them how to open the bathroom taps, because every tap is different.

You may just press onto something and you may get drenched, because they want to have every place new. And they take hours together to decide what kind of taps they are going to have. Getting into the car, American car, better ask them what, how to open the door, because if there is an accident you may not know, it may be something new. This power to decide has gone so far that people really appear to be just like stupid children.

Ego stops the maturity of a person. The conditioning of the ego is the worst of all, which cannot be removed. If you are conditioned by your superego you get your pains, you get your troubles, but when you have got your ego you trouble others, you aggress others.

Then to overcome the ego they try again some mental processes, that they try to dress up like primitive people. By dressing up like primitive people this brain is not going to become primitive. I mean, you know that it has reached its maximum now; it should stop behaving in that stupid manner.

Like in England if you go you’ll find people are using funny colors, to dress funny colors on their hair, and they call themselves punks.

So I asked some of them who came to our program, “Why do you do these kinds of things to yourself?” So they said that this makes people very attractive. To Me they look like clowns, but to them they thought that everybody feels attracted by that. So the second curse I find is that we want everybody should feel attracted towards us. But what’s the use? It’s a joyless pursuit. If everyone is attracted towards us, what does he get or what do you get out of that person? – I fail to understand. But on the contrary, you get into trouble. I mean, of course, if you become like punks you can develop horrible blindness. Or maybe you might develop some problems of your skin in the head.

But the way you move your eyes all the time to see how many are attracted by you, you know what you can get? This Altmiser’s [Shri Mataji may mean “Alzheimer’s”] disease that is coming up now is the early lunatic behavior. Now in America they have discovered that before the age of thirty-five, one out of the five becomes insane – out of five, can you imagine? Out of five; that’s what I today I read it in Reader’s Digest. Can become, can become. Altmiser’s [Alzheimer’s?] disease they call it. Altmiser’s [Alzheimer’s?] disease; a new disease they said. It’s a name of the scientist, Altmiser [Alzheimer?] or something. And they blame that if you lived after thirty-five these things start propagating.

But in a simple country like India or other countries where they are not so developed to flirt around, they don’t have this disease.

That’s why Christ has said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” And it is so difficult to understand that the people who go to church just for this.

I’m sorry I have to talk about this, because I notice it everywhere I go in the West. This is a terrible disease that is crawling up now. It is to look at very frivolous, but it is not, it has very deep implications. The eyes have to be so innocent that there should be no greed and lust expressed through them.

The only solution I find is the Kundalini awakening and realization, through which Christ is awakened within you in your central nervous system.

In the Agnya Chakra He resides, which is on the optic chiasma – which is in the optic chiasma. If there is no innocence in a person, then this Agnya Chakra catches. And this is the greatest purification that we need today.

Imagine, the people who say they are Christians, these are Christian nations, are the people going just against Christ – it is very surprising. Whatever is preached by someone – like in India it is said that in everyone resides the spirit; but the stupid intellectuals of India are very busy with the caste system. Such intellectuals must understand that they cannot intellectualize God.

People don’t like it when I tell them that you have to purify yourself to become the innocent personality. The problem of the West today is, it has lost its value as far as the purification is concerned. The purification is not of the body, is not how you live clean outside, it is not how you represent yourself, but it is within. The destruction is not going to work out from without, it is within ourselves we are building up our destruction every moment.

In 1972 when I first went to America, I told them that “You do not take to Freudian theories, and don’t indulge into nonsensical perversions. If you do that, you may develop a disease which will kill the whole nation, and nations.” And you know the epidemic of AIDS has started. You’ll be happy to know that through your kundalini awakening you can cure all these diseases; because when the kundalini is awakened, the greatest thing that happens is that whatever you have done so far is completely finished.

It happens in every chakra, but specially at the Agnya. At Agnya Chakra, when she opens out the Agnya Chakra, the deity of Christ is awakened. And the ego and superego which have made us into a egg-like structure are just sucked in spontaneously, because kundalini is a living force and that cleanses you completely. Then you believe that Christ died for our cleansing and purification. He suffered and He was crucified for that, so that He could come into that little space between the ego and superego.

Now the time has come to prove all these great incarnations and all the great scriptures. Now, when we talk of deities, people get quite stunned because they have never heard about it. Deities are the milestones, like the people who came to save us, the leaders. They had divine force within them, and every time they came on this earth they tried to give us a new awareness.

Like we can start from the first chakra, is nothing but where the carbon was formed in the chemical periodical law. By the formation of carbon only we could have organic chemistry and by that later on we had amino acids, and then amino acids formed the life. Then from the life came, as you know, amoeba, and from amoeba today we are human beings.

But why don’t we think about the reason, the cause, why we have become human beings? Have we got something special about it, that only we people should become human beings? And what is the purpose of our lives? Is it only to look at your watches and waste your time in gambling?

Is it for that we are born – not to have any respect for ourself? To be frivolous is a crime in the eyes of the Divine. You must know that you are very deep personalities. See the seven storeys you are built into. You are the epitome of all the instruments that you could think of.

Now only, what has to happen to you is the last triggering. And once that happens you just get completely purified, you become then the real instrument. As every instrument has to be connected to the mains, in the same way you are to be connected. And then you realize how fantastic you are, how dynamic you are, what great powers you have.

But it is not meant for the frivolous or for the people who have no respect for their own beings. It only happens to people who are true and honestly seeking, truly and honestly seeking. So it is important for us to know that if we are going to be the citizens of God’s domain, we have to get our realization, our Self.

Buddha went to this limit that He said, “Don’t talk of God, just talk of Self.” Even Mahavira said the same thing. The Zen went even further, that it said only talk of thoughtless awareness. That is the first awareness one achieves as a kundalini awakening, that you become completely aware without any thoughts.

Like when you see a beautiful lake which has no ripples on it, you see the complete creation around it reflected into it, giving complete joy. So far we have not known the joy, which has no duality. We know happiness which is nothing but ego pampering, and when ego collapses a little, then we become unhappy – that is the illusion we have.

To get to reality we have to be the Self, and Self is beyond ego and superego. Then you no more live on relative terminology, but you live with the absolute. Like you just feel the cool breeze in the hand as if it is the computer that has started, and you are having a rapport with the Divine. Even when you place your hand towards any question, you can get the answer as cool breeze, meaning “yes, very good” and as hot breeze, meaning “bad”; but you might even get blisters if you try to go near somebody who is a possessed personality.

All the information comes to you from the unconscious, which has now become conscious on the central nervous system. This is what one has to understand, that your unconscious has become, has to become the conscious. So whatever information you have been getting so far from the unconscious is completely clearly understood by logic.

So the first thing that happens to your central nervous system, that you become – again I say you become, collectively conscious. It is not a mental projection, but you just become.

Also you know about yourself because you know about your own centers, and if you know how to cure these centers then you are perfect, in perfect health, in perfect joy.

This was for the introduction of Sahaja Yoga: saha means “with”, ja means “born” – it’s spontaneous. And “union” means, “union” is the meaning of the word “yoga.” Also it has another meaning, which means yukti, means “the trick.” Yukti. And also the, it means the deftness, how to handle this power when it starts flowing through you, to know everything about it; so it is to be decoded.

All this is your own. One enlightened light enlightens another light. There is no obligation. It’s all your own, which you have to get it and then establish it. All this has to be free because it is nature’s gift, it is living process, you cannot pay for it. You cannot pay to the Mother Earth for sprouting a seed, do you pay anything? How much do we pay to the flowers for becoming fruits?

Nature doesn’t understand money; in the same way God doesn’t understand money. But the way we have lived so far, we have paid always money for God’s work. Specially in Switzerland people believe that if you give money to some countries, then you are doing God’s work. Poverty is created by human beings, not by God. A country like India, ruled for three hundred years, if it becomes poor what’s so surprising? So that shows that by giving money you are not doing God’s work. That’s a human problem, created by human beings, solved by human beings.

God’s work is pure compassion: compassion which doesn’t speak, which cannot be valued in money. It just flows, emits and acts. It doesn’t expect anything, it cannot be controlled, it cannot be killed, it does not need any protection – this is what it is, God’s work.

Because who is the other, for God? We are all part and parcel of His being. If this hand is helping another hand, what obligation there is? So one must understand the difference between the reality of doing a God’s work, and the illusion.

It’s the quality of Divine is such that it quenches your thirst as the water does. It gives you the light that guides you, it gives you the strength that makes you stand up on the right, it gives you the compassion that makes you enjoy your virtues, it gives you that attraction which takes you to higher planes of the spirit. It discovers all the pearls in the ocean of illusion. It gives you that peace within and without, and you are always drenched in the showers of the bliss of the joy.

It is your right to have it, you have to have it. This is what you are meant to be here – but with humility. That is important, as a gesture of grace. When somebody gives you a medal, how you bend your head. In the same way when you are adorned with this, you have to bend your head before the Divine. When the audience claps for you, gives you a ovation, standing ovation, the actor bends before it, he salutes to the audience. (To translator: He salutes to the audience – all right?) Now, in the same way we have to salute to the Divine. What we surrender is automatically our ego and our conditioning.

I hope today you all will receive your realization. And day after tomorrow when I speak on the spirit itself, I hope you’ll make it convenient to come down.

You have to later on establish it completely. Otherwise it will be like the parable of Christ, that the seeds which sprouted also did not take to roots.

May God bless you all.

(Should we ask for questions? No questions?).

You want Me, to ask some questions? …

Good. Let’s have now the experience.

Question: When you feel something not nice on another person…

Shri Mataji: Ego problem.

Q: ….how to protect oneself from somebody from whom you feel on the chakras something not nice?

Shri Mataji: Ah. Ah. All right.

That is what you have to learn. Before realization also you catch from others, but you don’t feel it. But after realization you feel, but temporarily, just like an indicator. So you have to learn how to protect, and when you come to our center they will tell you everything elaborately.

Whenever I have come to Switzerland or any other place I’ve seen the houses are always full, people like to listen to Me; but they don’t listen to one thing, that they have to make it a practice, a complete understanding, a complete happening.

There is no course, there’s no course for it, but you have to yourself understand from others who have achieved, and you can be masters yourself.

Only thing, you have to give some time. Swiss are very good at making good watches, and they want people to save their time; but they have no time for God.

Same with Japanese who are very good at watches, they have no time for God. They make watches for others, not for themselves. They are busy making watches. Now you have to be selfish also, you must look at yourself. Better save some time for God and for yourself.

Alright. So now we’ll have the – if you have any questions, you can always know that we have a regular center in Switzerland, and you can always go and meet those people, get all the answers from them.

Now, first of all I have to request you all to forgive yourself and to forget whatever I’ve said, because I do not want that you should feel guilty about anything.

This is the biggest hurdle in the West, that people feel guilty for everything. I mean even if you wear a – something which is not matching, people start feeling guilty. It is too much, the way we feel guilty, so I have to make very humble request that you don’t feel guilty at all.

With whatever you have been doing, whatever has been there, one must know that you are the temple of God Almighty, and your kundalini is quite capable of giving you realization, purifying you completely; but don’t feel guilty about anything.

That is a first condition: we have to be pleasantly placed towards ourselves because we are going to enter into the Kingdom of God.

Second thing I have to request is that we have to take the advantage of the Mother Earth, though I know it is a little cool, but doesn’t matter, you can take out your shoes and put your feet on the ground; because the shoes also sometimes are a little bit tight, and keep you out of touch with the Mother Earth.